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A Couple of Recent Podcast Appearances

Dr. Charles Weaver · May 4, 2024

T HAS BEEN an exceptionally busy semester of teaching for me. I took on a few extra music history classes while a colleague is on maternity leave. It brings me such joy to teach this subject, especially because these classes have mostly dealt with sixteenth- and seventeenth-century music, and most of my students have had very little exposure to such things. There’s nothing quite like introducing Monteverdi’s music to a bunch of college freshmen who have never heard it before.

It also means that my writing here, never very frequent in any case, has slowed to a trickle while I tend to my teaching duties. There is so much I would like to write about, and I haven’t found the time. Today, however, I would like to at least draw our readers’ attention to a couple of recent podcasts I have appeared on.

The first is a conversation I had with Mark Emerson Donnelly. There is a kind of interesting story about how I met Mark. I was in Vancouver, BC one summer about a decade ago to teach at a summer course put on by the Lute Society of America. Since we had arrived on the weekend, I was there on a Sunday, and I, naturally, made my way to the local FSSP apostolate to hear Mass. During the Mass, I sang along on the congregational ordinary well enough that someone near me insisted on introducing me to the choirmaster, who happened to be Mark. We instantly hit it off, and I even ended up attending their choir rehearsal that week, while he and his family came to a guitar recital that I gave at the workshop. We’ve been in touch off and on in the years since. He’s a very good and enthusiastic teacher of Gregorian chant in the Solesmes style, and he’s done a lot of work with the monks of Clear Creek and is also affiliated with the ongoing Laus in Ecclesia series of textbooks. He has recently started a Youtube series about chant, which you can find here. If you are interested in some practical tips about incorporating that style of singing into your parish choir, you might enjoy his content. I had a conversation with Mark recently on his channel, and he is releasing the conversation in multiple parts. Parts 1 and 2 are already up.

The other podcast I was on recently is Dr. Jennifer Donelson-Nowicka’s Square Notes. I’m sure our listeners will be familiar with this show, now in its sixth season. The show has featured some really interesting interviews; perhaps my favorite is the episode about Mary Berry from last season. I’ve actually been on the show five times now. My most recent appearance is here. The topic is how one might integrate the scholarly study of chant with the spiritual and liturgical life of a Church musician. One thing I discuss there is why one ought to learn as much as one can about how the editions we sing from come about. This is also leading up to a class I’m teaching this summer at the Catholic Institute of Sacred Music. Perhaps you sing from the Vatican Edition, or from the Liber, or from the Graduale Triplex or the Graduale Novum. It’s always worthwhile learning more about how those things came to be and why they differ from each other.

After this podcast came out, I got some interesting pushback from a student for saying, in the course of this conversation, that one really ought to sing the propers in a schola every week in order to be able to study chant well as a scholarly subject. That seems like a topic for another post, when I have more time to think about it, but I have a few initial thoughts. The issue is somewhat related to the distinction of emic versus etic perspectives in anthropology and related fields. My student’s is a good one, because, as he said, presumably I as a music theory teacher don’t feel that I need to be able to play a Beethoven concerto in order to teach about it at school. This has led me to ask myself, why do I feel differently about chant? Can I clarify my thinking?

It goes without saying thaat someone ought to be able to lecture or teach or write about chant, but isn’t there something true about the idea that one has to actually live with and in the liturgy in order to be able to do an excellent job teaching about the chant or describing it? Is it perhaps, that chant is a sacramental? That much of what makes it special and gives it its particular power is not able to be abstracted and removed from its proper context in the prayer life of the singer, at least not without depriving it of something essential?

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Filed Under: Articles Tagged With: Carmen Gregorianum, Gregorian Chant Last Updated: May 4, 2024

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About Dr. Charles Weaver

Dr. Charles Weaver is on the faculty of the Juilliard School, and serves as director of music for St. Mary’s Church. He lives in Connecticut with his wife and four children.—(Read full biography).

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    Music List • (5th Sunday of Lent)
    Readers have expressed interest in seeing the ORDER OF MUSIC I created for this coming Sunday, which is the 5th Sunday of Lent (22 March 2026). If such a thing interests you, feel free to download it as a PDF file. Traditionally, this Sunday was called ‘Passion’ Sunday. Starting in 1956, certain church leaders attempted rename both ‘Passion’ Sunday and ‘Palm’ Sunday—but it didn’t work. For example, Monsignor Frederick McManus tried to get people to call PALM SUNDAY “Second Passion Sunday”—but the faithful rejected that. I encourage all the readers to visit the feasts website, where the Propria Missae may be downloaded completely free of charge.
    —Jeff Ostrowski
    Music List • (Holy Thursday, 2026)
    Readers have expressed interest in seeing the ORDER OF MUSIC I created for Holy Thursday, which is 2 April 2026. If such a thing interests you, feel free to download it as a PDF file. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a more piercingly beautiful INTROIT, and I have come to absolutely love the SATB version of ‘Ubi cáritas’ we are singing (joined by our burgeoning children’s choir). I encourage all the readers to visit the feasts website, where the Propria Missae may be downloaded completely free of charge.
    —Jeff Ostrowski
    “O Escam Viatorum” • (Holy Thursday)
    When I was very young, I erroneously believed the four psalms provided by the 1957 Liber Usualis—for Communion on Holy Thursday—were the “correct” music to sing on that first day of the TRIDUUM SACRUM. Those four psalms are: Psalm 22 (Dóminus regit me et nihil mihi déerit); Psalm 71 (Deus judícium tuum regi da); Psalm 103 (Bénedic ánima méa); and Psalm 150 (Laudáte Dóminum in sanctis ejus). It turns out I was way out in left field! While nothing forbids singing those psalms, many other options are equally valid. Our volunteer parish choir will sing this COMMUNION PIECE (joined by our burgeoning children’s choir) on Holy Thursday during Holy Communion. Needless to say, this will happen after the proper antiphon from the GRADUALE ROMANUM has been sung.
    —Jeff Ostrowski

Quick Thoughts

    Stumped by “Episcopalian Hymnal” (1910)
    Some consider Songs of Syon (1910) the greatest Episcopalian hymnal ever printed. As a Roman Catholic, I have no right to weigh in one way or the other. However, this particular page has me stumped. I just know I’ve heard that tune somewhere! If you can help, please email me. I’m talking about the text which begins: “This is the day the Lord hath made; In unbeclouded light array’d.” The book is by George Ratcliffe Woodward, and its complete title is: Songs of Syon: A Collection of Psalms, Hymns, and Spiritual Songs. Back in 2016, Corpus Christi Watershed scanned and uploaded this insanely rare book. For years our website was the sole place one could download it as a PDF file.
    —Jeff Ostrowski
    “Dies Irae” • A Monstrous Translation
    It isn’t easy to determine what Alice King MacGilton hoped to accomplish with her very popular book—A Study of Latin Hymns (1918)—which continued to be reprinted in new editions for at least 34 years. This PDF file shows her attempt to translate the DIES IRAE “in the fewest words possible.” There’s a place for dynamic equivalency, but this is repugnant. In particular, look what she does to “Quærens me sedísti lassus.”
    —Jeff Ostrowski
    PDF Download • “Holy, Holy, Holy”
    For vigil Masses on Saturday (a.k.a. “anticipated” Masses) we use this simpler setting of the “Holy, Holy, Holy” by Monsignor Jules Vyverman (d. 1989), a Belgian priest, organist, composer, and music educator who ultimately succeeded another ‘Jules’ (CANON JULES VAN NUFFEL) as director of the Lemmensinstituut in Belgium. Although I could be wrong, my understanding is that the LEMMENSINSTITUUT eventually merged with “Catholic University of Leuven” (originally founded in 1425). That’s the university Fulton J. Sheen attended.
    —Jeff Ostrowski

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Is this the dumbest statement ever written? “When considering texts for his motets, Gombert obtained his inspiration from Scripture—such as the Psalms—as opposed to the liturgy of the Roman Catholic church.”

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