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Views from the Choir Loft

“Face-To-Face” • Card. Roche + Pope Emeritus B16

Jeff Ostrowski · September 1, 2022

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HERE’S AN OLD expression: “Let cooler heads prevail.” I interpret that phrase to mean that sometimes people are so polarized they become incapable of seeing the forest for the trees. This seems to be happening with the brutal practice of abortion. As science progresses, it becomes more and more difficult for those who support abortion to claim that a little baby “is the mother’s body” since the baby possesses its own DNA, its own heartbeat, and—in the case of a baby boy—its own male reproductive organs. Increasingly, Americans seem to understand that saying “if you don’t like abortion, don’t get one” is just as immoral as declaring (in 1845): If you don’t like slavery, don’t own slaves.

Awkward Meeting • A hundred years from now, Catholics will look at the following image with fascination and confusion:

Here is what Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI affirmed:

“𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑙𝑑 𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑙𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑡. It’s impossible to see what could be dangerous or unacceptable about that. 𝐴 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑢𝑑𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑙 𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑖𝑡𝑠 ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑏𝑖𝑑𝑑𝑒𝑛, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑚 𝑑𝑜𝑤𝑛𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡. 𝐶𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑒𝑙𝑠𝑒? 𝑊𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑒 𝑡𝑜𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑟𝑜𝑤 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦?”

But Cardinal Roche recently told Deborah Lubov:

“𝘙𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 [1970s liturgical reform] 𝘪𝘴 quite a serious matter… 𝘐𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘭, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘱𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘭, 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘏𝘰𝘭𝘺 𝘚𝘱𝘪𝘳𝘪𝘵, 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘱𝘶𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘢 𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘨𝘺 … 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘴, 𝘪𝘴 [sic] 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘲𝘶𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴, 𝘵𝘰𝘰.”

Jeff Will Regret Asking • I will most likely regret asking this, but I can’t help myself. Was it an accident that Cardinal Roche is seated in the very back row, as far as possible away from the holy cleric he attacked (in that quote to Deborah Lubov)? Was that truly an accident?

Opinions by blog authors do not necessarily represent the views of Corpus Christi Watershed.

Filed Under: Articles Tagged With: Arthur Cardinal Roche, Bishop Arthur Roche, Face To Face Meeting, Meme Cardinal Roche, Meme Traditionis Custodes, Roche Benedict XVI Meeting, Traditionis Custodes Motu Proprio Last Updated: April 29, 2023

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Jeff Ostrowski holds his B.M. in Music Theory from the University of Kansas (2004). He resides with his wife and children in Michigan. —(Read full biography).

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    “Offertory” at Catholic Funerals
    I have argued that the OFFERTORY—at least in its ancient form—is more of a responsory than an antiphon. The 1962 Missal specifically calls it “Antiphona ad Offertorium.” From now on, I plan to use this beautiful setting (PDF) at funerals, since it cleverly inserts themes from the absolution of the body. Tons more research needs to be done on the OFFERTORY, which often is a ‘patchwork’ stitching together various beginnings and endings of biblical verses. For instance, if you examine the ancient verses for Dómine, vivífica me (30th Sunday in Ordinary Time) you’ll discover this being done in a most perplexing way. Rebecca Maloy published a very expensive book on the OFFERTORY, but it was a disappointment. Indeed, I can’t think of a single valuable insight contained in her book. What a missed opportunity!
    —Jeff Ostrowski
    “In Paradisum” • Gregorian Chant
    As a RECESSIONAL on All Souls’ Day (November 2nd), we will sing In Paradísum Dedúcant Te Ángeli (PDF). When it comes to Gregorian Chant, this is one of the most popular “songs.” Frankly, all the prayers and chants from the traditional REQUIEM MASS (Missa exsequialis or Missa pro defunctis) are incredibly powerful and never should’ve been scuttled. Click here to hear “In Paradisum” in a recording I made this afternoon. Professor Louis Bouyer spoke of the way Bugnini “scuttled the office of the dead” in this fascinating excerpt from his memoirs. In his book, La riforma litugica (1983), Bugnini bragged—in quite a shameful way—about eliminating the ancient funeral texts, and even admitted those venerable texts were “beloved” (his word) by Catholics.
    —Jeff Ostrowski
    “Music List” • All Souls (2 November)
    Readers have expressed interest in perusing the ORDER OF MUSIC I’ve prepared for 2 November 2025, which is the Commemoration of All the Faithful Departed (“All Souls”). If such a thing interests you, feel free to download it as a PDF file. As always, the Responsorial Psalm, Gospel Acclamation, and Mass Propers for this Sunday are conveniently stored at the top-notch feasts website alongside the official texts in Latin. In my humble opinion, it’s weird to have the feast of All Saints on a Sunday. No wonder the close associate of Pope Saint Paul VI said the revised KALENDAR was “the handiwork of a trio of maniacs.” However, I can’t deny that sometimes the sacred liturgy consists of elements that are seemingly contradictory: e.g. the Mode 7 “De Profúndis” ALLELUIA, or the Mode 8 “Dulce lignum” ALLELUIA on the various ancient feasts of the Holy Cross (3 May, 14 September, and so on).
    —Jeff Ostrowski

Quick Thoughts

    Gospel Options for 2 November (“All Souls”)
    We’ve been told some bishops are suppressing the TLM because of “unity.” But is unity truly found in the MISSALE RECENS? For instance, on All Souls (2 November), any of these Gospel readings may be chosen, for any reason (or for no reason at all). The same is true of the Propria Missæ and other readings—there are countless options in the ORDINARY FORM. In other words, no matter which OF parish you attend on 2 November, you’ll almost certainly hear different propers and readings, to say nothing of different ‘styles’ of music. Where is the “unity” in all this? Indeed, the Second Vatican Council solemnly declared: “Even in the liturgy, the Church has no wish to impose a rigid uniformity in matters which do not implicate the faith or the good of the whole community.”
    —Corpus Christi Watershed
    “Our Father” • Musical Setting?
    Looking through a Roman Catholic Hymnal published in 1859 by Father Guido Maria Dreves (d. 1909), I stumbled upon this very beautiful tune (PDF file). I feel it would be absolutely perfect to set the “Our Father” in German to music. Thoughts?
    —Jeff Ostrowski
    New Bulletin Article • “12 October 2025”
    My pastor requested that I write short articles each week for our parish bulletin. Those responsible for preparing similar write-ups may find a bit of inspiration in these brief columns. The latest article (dated 12 October 2025) talks about an ‘irony’ or ‘paradox’ regarding the 1960s switch to a wider use (amplior locus) of vernacular in the liturgy.
    —Jeff Ostrowski

Random Quote

“In case of urgent danger of life anyone may baptize, even a heretic or pagan. It is sufficient that he administer the essential matter and form and have the implicit intention of doing what Christ instituted. Naturally a Catholic must be preferred, if possible. A man is preferred to a woman; but anyone else to the parents.”

— Father Adrian Fortescue (1917)

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